Len Shackleton discussed last week's unemployment figures and argued that the picture is not as gloomy as the TUC were trying to paint.
The figures, he argued, are good on whatever indicator you take with unemployment down, employment up and inactivity down. Improvements have been made for most ethnic groups, for men and women, for most parts of the country and for young people.
Discussing austerity more generally, Prof Shackleton outlined the data problems of trying to gauge the effects of austerity measures. Economic recoveries take place in a way which differs each time, and there is not strong evidence to abandon the kind of policies which the government has undertaken.
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